Tuesday, December 14, 2010
The Great Debate Fizzels..
Well, I think the Ecumenical Movement has been set back a few decades..I Hope! This has been a small scale model of the problem Israel faces today. Three major religions all claiming rights to the same turf, but all three can't be all right either one of them is or none of them is. I was only giving Jewish readers a reason for the hope which is within me as I am told to do, they thought I was trying to win converts (but I would like see More Christians walk worthy of the profession of faith) The problem is We love their Holy Books but they hate ours. They say nothing in the New Testament can be true, if so, Israel is doomed since the NT says it will be saved, and they will have no one ruling from Jerusalem with a rod of iron, because that is promised in the New Testament, too. A Jewish state also goes against the Muslim ideas of supremacy, so we have all three religions all claiming to be right. It will ultimately come down to the Almighty making His move to show everyone who is right! Wars have not settled it, arguments have not, we can't agree on Scriptures, what is left? Let the G-d who splits the Mount of Olives be G-d! We are living in a Great Time. Little children, keep yourselves from idols.
Monday, December 13, 2010
The Great Debate continues!
Blogger billbillt said...
No offence taken or intended. G-D gives us free will to believe and do what we want. The Yetzer Tov and Yetzer Ra. This is what makes us in his image. To me, the hypocracy of Xtian religion stems from it's profession of belief in G-D and their supposed belief and following of H-S commandments as given to Moshe. Yet, they worship a dead human and a wooden cross. This is nothing more than pure idolatry and an abomination to G-D. They teach the Torah (their Old Testament) in stories. Yes, the Talmud can be considered as opinion. But, it is the opinion and interpretaion by learned Rabbis that spent their whole lives in the study of the Torah. It is no less an opinion than the sermon given by a preacher on Sunday. The sermon is his opinion.
Shalom from Israel
Blogger Mr Dovie said...
I was trying to find places where we could agree such as, we were created in G-d's image (as you point out). If I gave my photo to a friend and later found it tacked up inside his garage being used for a game of darts, I would conclude that our friendship had a problem or two. Those who claim to love G-d, but hate people (especially H-s people) created in H-s image do not know love or Hashem (G-d).
I can no longer claim to be a non-Talmud reader as I found English PDF translations free at http://halakhah.com/ just a few days ago.
First, billbillt, you claim that we worship a dead person, But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read, "I am the G-d of Abraham, and the G-d of Isaac, and the G-d of Jacob"? G-d is not the G-d of the dead, but of the living. And as for the Messiah, is He not the son of David? But then why does David call Him Lord? Saying, "The Lord (G-d) said unto my Lord (Messiah) Sit thou on my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool"? If king David called him Lord, how is he only his son? There are many that call themselves Chistian today who are "pure idolaters" as you point out, falling down to wood and stone, but a true Christian believes that G-d is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. We do not even "worship" the cross any more than you worship the star of David. As my grandmother used to say, "We will all know for sure one day." The catholic church used to kill anyone they caught with a bible. In Germany there was the dough bible, it would be hidden in a fresh batch of bread that would sit all day and be baked in the morning, when the family would break the bread, read some of the bible and hide it again in a fresh batch of dough. I believe that the "church world" will go back to killing believers under the anti-christ some day not long off. Zechariah 12 Talks of this as it relates to Jerusalem. But speaks of great salvation for the house of David, which I long for. But why do the families of Israel mourn at the end of the chapter? more later...
No offence taken or intended. G-D gives us free will to believe and do what we want. The Yetzer Tov and Yetzer Ra. This is what makes us in his image. To me, the hypocracy of Xtian religion stems from it's profession of belief in G-D and their supposed belief and following of H-S commandments as given to Moshe. Yet, they worship a dead human and a wooden cross. This is nothing more than pure idolatry and an abomination to G-D. They teach the Torah (their Old Testament) in stories. Yes, the Talmud can be considered as opinion. But, it is the opinion and interpretaion by learned Rabbis that spent their whole lives in the study of the Torah. It is no less an opinion than the sermon given by a preacher on Sunday. The sermon is his opinion.
Shalom from Israel
Blogger Mr Dovie said...
I was trying to find places where we could agree such as, we were created in G-d's image (as you point out). If I gave my photo to a friend and later found it tacked up inside his garage being used for a game of darts, I would conclude that our friendship had a problem or two. Those who claim to love G-d, but hate people (especially H-s people) created in H-s image do not know love or Hashem (G-d).
I can no longer claim to be a non-Talmud reader as I found English PDF translations free at http://halakhah.com/ just a few days ago.
First, billbillt, you claim that we worship a dead person, But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read, "I am the G-d of Abraham, and the G-d of Isaac, and the G-d of Jacob"? G-d is not the G-d of the dead, but of the living. And as for the Messiah, is He not the son of David? But then why does David call Him Lord? Saying, "The Lord (G-d) said unto my Lord (Messiah) Sit thou on my right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool"? If king David called him Lord, how is he only his son? There are many that call themselves Chistian today who are "pure idolaters" as you point out, falling down to wood and stone, but a true Christian believes that G-d is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. We do not even "worship" the cross any more than you worship the star of David. As my grandmother used to say, "We will all know for sure one day." The catholic church used to kill anyone they caught with a bible. In Germany there was the dough bible, it would be hidden in a fresh batch of bread that would sit all day and be baked in the morning, when the family would break the bread, read some of the bible and hide it again in a fresh batch of dough. I believe that the "church world" will go back to killing believers under the anti-christ some day not long off. Zechariah 12 Talks of this as it relates to Jerusalem. But speaks of great salvation for the house of David, which I long for. But why do the families of Israel mourn at the end of the chapter? more later...
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